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kr428: @arielmt Amazon integration that can be disabled might be one of these?

@arielmt Amazon integration that can be disabled might be one of these?

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arielmt: @kr428 AFAIK, it's non-intuitive to disable, and it's easier to...

@kr428 AFAIK, it's non-intuitive to disable, and it's easier to disagree by not using a Web site than it is by not using a window manager.

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arielmt: @kr428 Could I be confusing "proprietary" and "non-free" software?...

@kr428 Could I be confusing "proprietary" and "non-free" software? They seem similar enough to me.

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kr428: @arielmt But it's _possible_. And easy compared to, say, dropping...

@arielmt But it's _possible_. And easy compared to, say, dropping proprietary hardware drivers you need to even get your devices going.

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kr428: @arielmt I failed to find any pointers on the license used for the...

@arielmt I failed to find any pointers on the license used for the amazon lens. _Is_ this actually non-free?

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arielmt: @kr428 It's also possible to stop using Internet Explorer for Web...

@kr428 It's also possible to stop using Internet Explorer for Web browsing on Windows. Just as easy to learn about, an…

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kesara: @kr428 That amzon lens it self is under GNU GPL v3. http://ur1.ca/atyaw

@kr428 That amzon lens it self is under GNU GPL v3. http://ur1.ca/atyaw

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kesara: But some concerns over Amazon integration: "Canonical will be forced...

But some concerns over Amazon integration: "Canonical will be forced to hand over data to various governments" says @rmshttp://ur1.ca/aj83e

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arielmt: @kr428 I'd have to leave Ubuntu LTS and upgrade to find out. The...

@kr428 I'd have to leave Ubuntu LTS and upgrade to find out. The lack of a live CD makes researching that question very difficult.

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kr428: @kesara So aren't we generally good there? I am not a fan of it, but...

@kesara So aren't we generally good there? I am not a fan of it, but so far I am not convinced it's "non-free" just because it is not good.

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kr428: @arielmt Yes. But Windows itself does not get any less "non-free" by...

@arielmt Yes. But Windows itself does not get any less "non-free" by giving up on MSIE.

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arielmt: @kesara Yes, the software is free. But it interfaces with a non-free...

@kesara Yes, the software is free. But it interfaces with a non-free service, and there's no choice of which service to use.

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kesara: @kr428 I don't say that shopping lens is non-free. But #Ubuntu is...

@kr428 I don't say that shopping lens is non-free. But #Ubuntu is promoting/supporting non-free software, that is bad free software movement

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kesara: #Ubuntu is promoting/supporting non-free software, that is bad for...

#Ubuntu is promoting/supporting non-free software, that is bad for free software movement.

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arielmt: @kr428 That's beside the point. I was using an analogy to highlight...

@kr428 That's beside the point. I was using an analogy to highlight the point.

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toksyuryel: @kesara Is this really still news to anyone?

@kesara Is this really still news to anyone?

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ddevine: @kesara Ubuntu is not marketed towards people who want choice or...

@kesara Ubuntu is not marketed towards people who want choice or freedom. Cut your losses and move on ;)

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eaglehooves: @toksyuryel Not really.

@toksyuryel Not really.

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kr428: @arielmt But this analogy seems to miss the point somehow. On Windows,...

@arielmt But this analogy seems to miss the point somehow. On Windows, installing an additional browser is simple, and many actually do.

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kr428: @arielmt Maybe by then we should need more strict definitions of what...

@arielmt Maybe by then we should need more strict definitions of what "Free Software" is. "Just" GPL'ed bits?

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